It was announced today that Palin's 17 yr old daughter is pregnant. It's also a fact that Palin has a five month old baby with down syndrome. So I'm watching the news today and I'm just a little confused. Teen pregnancy isn't new. I knew people who had babies in junior high, high school, etc. And being ashamed of having a special needs child is definitely a thing of the past, unless you live in a self-centered world and can't get over yourself.

I'm pro-choice. I think women AND men should have the right to make decisions about their bodies. And really my post isn't about what you believe. My quandry is directed at the fact that I'm watching tv and everyone is just SOOO proud that this family isn't "killing the [unborn] baby" and Gov. Palin herself didn't abort a child with down syndrome. Do pro-lifers really think that the main objective to upholding Roe vs. Wade is to eradicate teen and special pregnancy? The principle, again, is to give a woman the right to make a private choice about her body. And I was under the impression that that was universally understood. But I see people on tv reacting as though if this was a Democrat with a pregnant teen or a down syndrome child that it would be getting the axe no matter what, and yet the only people I've ever known to get abortions were Catholic girls who didn't want their parents to know that they'd been having sex before marriage (that's just who I know, not to be confused with the story/characteristic of every woman to ever have an abortion).

So that's my question. Is the general impression that Pro-Choice people would automatically abort special or teen pregnancy?

The only problem I see with this story is that they announced that her daughter will marry the baby's father and I question if that will be a good family decision in the long run for the mother, father and baby-to-be.

It's one thing to become pregnant when you're a teenager living with a family in poverty or trying to support yourself on your own and it's quite another thing to get pregnant and have the support of your parents who are quite well to do. It's a lot easier making a pro-life choice when you know you'll have the resources available to you that you'll need to give that child some kind of quality of life.

I know that doesn't have anything to do with your original argument, but that's just my opinion about Palin's daughter in particular.

I think it is mostly just the media making a big to-do over nothing. I am pro-life and I don't feel that way about pro-choicers.

I'm a unique sort of pro-lifer though. I'm ok with morning after etc. To me a heart beat=life. Most fetus's get a heartbeat at around 6 weeks.

I think it's a very wonderful thing that she is a teen that didn't think her life would be interupted by a baby. In this day and age when so many choose abortion because the "Time isn't right" I very much agree with those who think it's soooooo wonderful that she is having the baby.
I feel the same way about Mrs. Palin. There are many women who don't have half the career Mrs. Palin has and would abort a Down Syndrome child in an instant.

As for thinking that all Democrats would abort for those
reasons... Nope not at all. I am a Democrat

I think it is mostly just the media making a big to-do over nothing.

Wait, they do that?

I don't see anything special in the whole thing to be honest, and find it a waste of time to put it in the media. A child with down-syndrom is hardly a big deal (I have a mentally disabled stepson, and believe me, I would give my soul to change it into 'just' down-syndrom), and getting her 17 year old to have the kid and get married is entirely their decision. Of course they're depriving her of a good part of her life, but again, that's something they'll have to deal with on their own.

For me, what a woman does with her body is entirely up to her, and nobody else should be allowed to stick their noses in. Not the so-called 'Pro-Lifers', nor the church or the government. It's their body, their life, their decision. Period.

And no, I don't think pro-choicers would automatically abort a teen pregnancy, or even a pregnancy with a disabled child. That's just ridiculous. Pro-Choice means to have the choice, and make a decision, based on your circumstances. Of course it's easy to make the choice for the kid when you have a buttful of money, and parents who can afford to get you a babysitter to look after the kid whenever you want to. But not everybody is in that position, let's face it, very few are.

If that girl had to work, was a single parent and had no parents that feed her with a silver spoon, then I can guarantee you she would have said 'To hell with Pro-Life, I can't do this'. And she would have been right.

And a little tidbit about disabled kids...I work a lot with disabled teenagers, and you know what I hear rather often? "I wish I had never been born, I would rather be dead than being like this." I've seen kids with no skin, kids that couldn't eat and were attached to feeding tubes 20 hours a day, and worse. I wonder if the 'pro-lifers' ever think about what they are doing to a kid when they know it's going to be disabled. They make a choice for themselves, not for the child.

As one of the kids I worked with once said to me "This isn't living, it's just existing. And exisiting just isn't enough."

I'm pro-choice and pregnant with my first child at age 36. While the chances I'll have a child with down's syndrome are increased b/c of my age, I have elected not to have the quad screening done. I'll just cross that bridge if I come to it. I've waited too long to have a baby to worry about that sort of thing. Besides that, those tests are not always accurate and I'd hate to abort a perfectly healthy fetus.

The reason I'm pro-choice is b/c I feel that each woman should have the right to choose. Things happen, life throws us curveballs. But I certainly don't think abortion should be used as the only method of birth control. There is no reason why any woman needs to have multiple abortions b/c she is too lazy to use birth control.

I think it was a bad judgment call on Palin to have it come out like this and subject her daughter to this crap. Maybe she should of had an interview regarding this. But nope nothing, just some crap in People magazine. That's the real issue to me, her judgment and so far in my eyes it's terrible.

And a little tidbit about disabled kids...I work a lot with disabled teenagers, and you know what I hear rather often? "I wish I had never been born, I would rather be dead than being like this." I've seen kids with no skin, kids that couldn't eat and were attached to feeding tubes 20 hours a day, and worse. I wonder if the 'pro-lifers' ever think about what they are doing to a kid when they know it's going to be disabled. They make a choice for themselves, not for the child.

As one of the kids I worked with once said to me "This isn't living, it's just existing. And exisiting just isn't enough."

Wow, I've worked with the disabled for the last ten years and while yes I have come across the few who are miserable there are so many who are well adjusted and for the most part very happy and content. I don't believe in the government making that decision for people so I guess that makes me pro-choice but as far as "pro-lifers" ever thinking about what they are doing to a kid when they know its going to be disabled I don't get that.

I've seen so many parents be told their child was going to be born with a disability only to see it born completely healthy. And how many parents would know their child is going to suffer JUST because they are disabled? You can't say parents are making a selfish decision based on an possibility. Very rarely do people know ahead of time that their child is going to be disabled at all, unless they're taking chances themselves with alcohol and/or drugs. That's a whole different problem altogether.

I guess it depends on the kind of disability. I'm not saying every disabled person would rather be dead, far from it, I know people who are, as you said, quite happy and adjusted, hell, one of my best friends is disabled and he sees it as the best thing that ever happened to him, but there is an awful lot of kids out there who have conditions that can't be adjusted, and that make it impossible to be even reasonably happy. I also worked in a youth hospice for a while, with kids that were dying from either their disabilities, or aids. Most of them were born with it, and in most cases the mother knew she had it, and went ahead and had the kid regardless. And we're not just talking about drug addicts and stuff like that.

True, not every disability can be predicted, but a lot can, and quite precisely nowadays, especially with the more complex disabilites. To decide to have that kid regardless of knowing that, is, as far as I am concerned, indeed a selfish decision. But then again, maybe I watched too many kids and teenagers die slow, painful deaths to be objective about the topic.

What it all comes down to though is that everybody should have a choice to abort a pregnancy if necessary, without having to justify herself, or be treated like a leper afterwards.
That said, I whole heartedly agree though...if a woman abuses the system just because she can't be bothered to use birth control, that's not acceptable. My suggestion would be that if a woman had an abortion, and comes back for another one shortly afterwards, she should just be sterilized, and the problem is solved. If you have a valid reason for an abortion, then you'll damn well make sure that it doesn't happen again. If it happens again, it's a clear sign that she just doesn't give a damn.

Guess what I found today? An article in a newspaper about the oh-so-great Mrs. Palin. Apparently this woman, who is so happy with the pregancy of her 17 year old daughter, is cutting the funding for a programm that shelters and teaches troubled youths and especially young mothers, by over 20%, leaving them hardly able to function.

If I've ever seen a hypocrite, there is one. :(

What the hell! What a horrible thing for this Palin-chick to do to women :(. I dont even want to imagine what other fundings they will be cutting.

(by the way, I am pro-choice)

Guess what I found today? An article in a newspaper about the oh-so-great Mrs. Palin. Apparently this woman, who is so happy with the pregancy of her 17 year old daughter, is cutting the funding for a programm that shelters and teaches troubled youths and especially young mothers, by over 20%, leaving them hardly able to function.

If I've ever seen a hypocrite, there is one. :(

I agree that cutting funding for the toubled youth program is a bad thing..... but I don't see how that makes Mrs. Palin a hypocrite. Yes she is happy about her daughter's pregnancy and as far as I know her daughter isn't using public funds to support herself.... now if the daughter used the program and then her Mother cut funding... THEN she would be a hypocrite.

She's a hypocrite because she is publicly announcing that she supports her daughter in being a young mother, yet at the same time she cuts the funding for thousands of other young mothers, making it obvious that she doesn't give a damn. So apparently as long as it concerns *her* family, it is okay, but everybody else can go to hell for all she cares.

And no, she isn't using public funds to support herself. She is using her parent's money, of which a large part is funded by the tax payer. So, in the long run, she actually *is* using public funds, but that's a completely different point.....

I am pro life. I honestly dont know how mothers can even get abortions. I was on the fence about the issue when I became pregnant at 18. After I had my son I became very pro life. Now back at the topic at hand. Im sick of the media. Im really sick of US weekly thats for f-ing sure. Who cares if bristol is pregnant really. No one should care. All I want to know is what are you going to do if you become president. Thats I love how the us media swings things...You never hear anything like how Barack Obama's broke his promises to an African village. Oh wait yeah you do if you really search for it..can't just open a paper....

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Well it is politics. I don't know the details but I doubt it was as simple as her just waking up one morning and deciding that the troubled youth didnt need an more money. You may know the details but I don't. I will say this though. People forget about what elected officials duties are. Numero uno is to represent the people who elected you. It isnt always about a personal issue or choice. Every politician is a hypocrite. It is impossible not to be.

I am pro-choice, however I would never abort my baby unless is had a medical condition that would leave it with only days to live, or would be born with so many complications it just would not be fair to the baby.

But saying that, I dont really know what I would do unless I was in the situation.

"Proof" that her "abstinence only programs" really do work huh? :rofl:

She's such a hypocrite. I'm pretty positive that abortion would be cut in half if people had the money she has to raise children with. She doesn't have a clue what it is like for the average working class citizen much less those in the lower income brackets. She is a clueless waste of space.

Enough with my rant.

I am pro-choice. But, I personally and morally don't believe in abortion for myself. I got pregnant at 18 and had my son at 19. Although, I was married - we were newly married and after paying for our wedding, pretty strapped for cash. But I would also like to believe that if I were ever raped, I would keep the child. But who knows until I'm in the shoes of another? I would never force my opinions on another. I understand and DO respect that everyone has different beliefs - unlike crazy medieval republicans. In fact, I refused the (forget the name) test when I was pregnant to find out whether or not anything was wrong with my son. I figured "I'd love him no matter what".

If Palin and McCain ruled the world, just imagine: A world without abortions, contraception or informative sexual education impossible to get for teenagers and if health care insurance no longer paid for birth control. Hell, imagine if birth control was banned - Palin would sure love that one. Foster care is already overflowing. The headlines of "baby found in dumpster", "baby dropped from 10 story building" would more than double. Child abuse would be unbelievable. Sorry. Anyone who agrees with those kind of living conditions for a child is insane.

"Proof" that her "abstinence only programs" really do work huh? :rofl:

She's such a hypocrite. I'm pretty positive that abortion would be cut in half if people had the money she has to raise children with. She doesn't have a clue what it is like for the average working class citizen much less those in the lower income brackets. She is a clueless waste of space.

Enough with my rant.

I am pro-choice. But, I personally and morally don't believe in abortion for myself. I got pregnant at 18 and had my son at 19. Although, I was married - we were newly married and after paying for our wedding, pretty strapped for cash. But I would also like to believe that if I were ever raped, I would keep the child. But who knows until I'm in the shoes of another? I would never force my opinions on another. I understand and DO respect that everyone has different beliefs - unlike crazy medieval republicans. In fact, I refused the (forget the name) test when I was pregnant to find out whether or not anything was wrong with my son. I figured "I'd love him no matter what".

If Palin and McCain ruled the world, just imagine: A world without abortions, contraception or informative sexual education impossible to get for teenagers and if health care insurance no longer paid for birth control. Hell, imagine if birth control was banned - Palin would sure love that one. Foster care is already overflowing. The headlines of "baby found in dumpster", "baby dropped from 10 story building" would more than double. Child abuse would be unbelievable. Sorry. Anyone who agrees with those kind of living conditions for a child is insane.


Cosign - whole paragraph.


There are those of us out there who enjoy sex but not kids.... Let us be! (speaking on contraception)

Pro choice means murder. Killing a human being. Doesn't matter what stage the baby is in, its murder. Ask any mother, ANY who at the time were thinking of having an abortion but chose not to. What a shame it would be that after ur kids grow up, to think that you actually once thought of killing them. Ohhhhh yeah I said it. ITS GONNA GET HEATED IN HERE cmon people

Pro choice means murder. Killing a human being. Doesn't matter what stage the baby is in, its murder. Ask any mother, ANY who at the time were thinking of having an abortion but chose not to. What a shame it would be that after ur kids grow up, to think that you actually once thought of killing them. Ohhhhh yeah I said it. ITS GONNA GET HEATED IN HERE cmon people

You techincally did not say anything... You just made a good example for how good debates/conversations can go awry.


I would say in order to have killed a human being you would have had to established what a being is. I define a being, or more specifically a human being as sentient life.

Honestly though, when it comes to rape and incest, I believe no one has the right to tell the victim what to decide. Of course those who have never dealt with rape victims can judge them, its always easier when you are at a distance.:rant:

You techincally did not say anything... You just made a good example for how good debates/conversations can go awry.


I would say in order to have killed a human being you would have had to established what a being is. I define a being, or more specifically a human being as sentient life.

Honestly though, when it comes to rape and incest, I believe no one has the right to tell the victim what to decide. Of course those who have never dealt with rape victims can judge them, its always easier when you are at a distance.:rant:

Agree. Totally. Most people who are so 'violently' pro-life have never dealt with anything like that, thus being able to see everything just in black and white. But that's not how the world works, there's a lot of grey out there.

I have worked with abused girls, some of them came to us pregnant, and the mere thought of forcing any of them to have the baby completely disgusts me. It's like putting the 'life' (even though I agree with Mr. Sickles, you first have to establish what a life/human being is) of what is eventually going to be a baby over the life of the mother. Doesn't matter if she's miserable, or ends up hating the kid, or ends up killing herself, as long as the kid is born. That's sick.

And just for the record, I have a friend who thought about an abortion and didn't have it. She had the kid, but as expected wasn't able to cope, and the kid ended up in the system. To this day my friend regrets not having gone through with the abortion, because never being born would have certainly been way better than what both of them went through. So I guess the example doesn't work for EVERY mother.

As for it getting heated....I don't think so. A heated discussion is only possible if both sides have valid, comprehensible arguments and are capable of having a discussion without letting it drop to the level of throwing around rather opinionated clichès without any real idea what they are talking about. If fatSmash777's post is any indication, I rather doubt he/she is capable of that.

No offense.

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I think everyone values life in one form or another. Look at the two main political sides and you see it. I'm making a generalization here...but most democrats are against people dying in war and most republicans are against people dying before birth. I think it's just in us all to want to preserve the human race... Just a random observation.

Our decisions about these issues will most likely already have been made up because of upbringing, personal experiences, and what we consider valuable. I'm not in here for an argument at all. With that being said....






And just for the record, I have a friend who thought about an abortion and didn't have it. She had the kid, but as expected wasn't able to cope, and the kid ended up in the system.To this day my friend regrets not having gone through with the abortion, because never being born would have certainly been way better than what both of them went through.So I guess the example doesn't work for EVERY mother.




How does one, without a doubt, know that for sure? My mom and sister both had one and the regret and the grieving process has never ended for them.

I've never looked into it, but is there proper counseling for after-the-fact at the clinics for those who have gone through with this? It seems devastating.

I have a good friend who was conceived from a rape. My life (and countless others) would not be the same had his life been canceled. He is an amazing person and so is his mother.

How does one, without a doubt, know that for sure? My mom and sister both had one and the regret and the grieving process has never ended for them.

I've never looked into it, but is there proper counseling for after-the-fact at the clinics for those who have gone through with this? It seems devastating.

I have a good friend who was conceived from a rape. My life (and countless others) would not be the same had his life been canceled. He is an amazing person and so is his mother.

You can't know for sure, of course. Nobody can. But if a mother can't cope with a child, things can get very, very ugly. And I actually know her daughter, who, to this day, hasn't forgiven her mother for bringing her into this world knowing she wouldn't be able to take care of her properly.

As for the clinics, over here there is proper counselling before and after the abortion, but I don't know about other countries.

As for your friend, I am glad it all turned out so well, but it could have been different. His mother could have resented him for reminding her of the rape, and I am sorry, but can anybody in their right mind really resent a woman for not wanting to have a child out of a rape? I don't think anybody has the right to judge them at all unless they know what they are talking about, i.e. have been or are in the same situation.

I lost a child when I was 17, and to this day I am convinced that, as painful as it was, it was for the better. I had considered an abortion but wasn't in a situation where I could make that decision without having to fear for my life. If I could have, I would have done it, because all there would have been for that child would have been violence, fear, and pain. If deciding that I didn't want to subject a child to that makes me a bad person, then hey, I'm a bad person, and darn proud of it.

What I am trying to say is, you can't generalize things like these. There are cases in which abortion is the only way, and I don't think people should be judged for it by people who don't know and/or don't understand their story. That said, I am not for abortion as a contraception method, not at all. I just think that in extreme cases, the mother should have the right to make the decision, nobody else.

You can't know for sure, of course. Nobody can. But if a mother can't cope with a child, things can get very, very ugly. And I actually know her daughter, who, to this day, hasn't forgiven her mother for bringing her into this world knowing she wouldn't be able to take care of her properly.

One day the daughter may change her mind. Life has a way of turning around for the better sometimes. I hope it does for her. I'm sure her life has been tough.

As for the clinics, over here there is proper counselling before and after the abortion, but I don't know about other countries. That's good to know. I hope that more people know about this. I don't go around looking or researching it, but I had never heard of it.

His mother could have resented him for reminding her of the rape, and I am sorry, but can anybody in their right mind really resent a woman for not wanting to have a child out of a rape? I don't think anybody has the right to judge them at all unless they know what they are talking about, i.e. have been or are in the same situation. Agreed.


What I am trying to say is, you can't generalize things like these. There are cases in which abortion is the only way.... I don't really agree with that. However, I do not judge the people that have chosen this for themselves and their future children. It is a choice that each person must make and I just happen to not be for it--for me. I think about my youngest sister who is 14 and the thought of her being raped and impregnated b/c of it, is bone chilling. I can't imagine what it must be like for those who have to be forced to make a decision like that. The majority of abortions are not related to this issue and those are harder for me to comprehend. Sometimes it's hard to agree with something that we just don't understand.

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The majority of abortions are not related to this issue and those are harder for me to comprehend. Sometimes it's hard to agree with something that we just don't understand.

I actually totally agree with you on that one. The majority of abortions aren't 'extreme cases', and I don't in any way endorse abortion just because the woman and her partner couldn't be bothered with contraception, or because they just happened to 'change their minds'. And I don't think that's what pro-choice should be about, either. All I'm saying is that in extreme cases, like rape, abuse, illness and things like that, it should be an option, and the woman should have a choice, that's all. I'm certainly not all for 'getting rid off it' just for the heck of it, and I sincerely hope it didn't come across that way.

You techincally did not say anything... You just made a good example for how good debates/conversations can go awry.


I would say in order to have killed a human being you would have had to established what a being is. I define a being, or more specifically a human being as sentient life.

Honestly though, when it comes to rape and incest, I believe no one has the right to tell the victim what to decide. Of course those who have never dealt with rape victims can judge them, its always easier when you are at a distance.:rant:

Actually I said alot "Mr. Sickles". I got down to the point. In the end its common sense. People like you tend to complicate obvious matters. "Hmm, lets establish what a human being is." LOL cmon....

Agree. Totally. Most people who are so 'violently' pro-life have never dealt with anything like that, thus being able to see everything just in black and white. But that's not how the world works, there's a lot of grey out there.

I have worked with abused girls, some of them came to us pregnant, and the mere thought of forcing any of them to have the baby completely disgusts me. It's like putting the 'life' (even though I agree with Mr. Sickles, you first have to establish what a life/human being is) of what is eventually going to be a baby over the life of the mother. Doesn't matter if she's miserable, or ends up hating the kid, or ends up killing herself, as long as the kid is born. That's sick.

And just for the record, I have a friend who thought about an abortion and didn't have it. She had the kid, but as expected wasn't able to cope, and the kid ended up in the system. To this day my friend regrets not having gone through with the abortion, because never being born would have certainly been way better than what both of them went through. So I guess the example doesn't work for EVERY mother.

As for it getting heated....I don't think so. A heated discussion is only possible if both sides have valid, comprehensible arguments and are capable of having a discussion without letting it drop to the level of throwing around rather opinionated clichès without any real idea what they are talking about. If fatSmash777's post is any indication, I rather doubt he/she is capable of that.

No offense.

:icon_bs: OoOoOoO aren't you and your friend smart. LOL. Your friend probably didn't raise her child right. No offense. :) I feel sorry for you and your friend, but mostly your friend's child. I am actually proud of her that she didn't have the abortion. Sex shouldn't be something to take advantage of. And if it is, there are consequences that must be faced. As for the abortion, it is the murder of an innocent human being. You are now playing God and saying hmm, should I let this baby live so I don't have to take responsibility for my actions, or should I simply kill it for my own personal benefit. :coolgleamA:

I disagree strenuously with what fatsmash said but I hope people didn't neg-rep him/her for his/her political views. :icon_bs:

...You are now playing God and saying hmm, should I let this baby live so I don't have to take responsibility for my actions, or should I simply kill it for my own personal benefit. :coolgleamA:

You are so full of it, it's not even funny anymore. Political/moral oppinions are one thing, but you're taking it to a whole new level.
I doubt it's worth the time to even try and 'discuss' anything with you, so I will refrain from any further comments to you.
I always try my hardest not to wish anything bad to happen to anybody, but people like you make it really difficult.
And by the way...there's no such thing as a god in my world. I make the decisions, I have to live with them. You take care of your own business, and leave me well alone. That's how it works.

I disagree strenuously with what fatsmash said but I hope people didn't neg-rep him/her for his/her political views. :icon_bs:

I don't know about anybody else, but I didn't. Unless I get personally attacked and/or verbally abused, I would never neg-rep anybody.

I actually totally agree with you on that one. The majority of abortions aren't 'extreme cases', and I don't in any way endorse abortion just because the woman and her partner couldn't be bothered with contraception, or because they just happened to 'change their minds'. And I don't think that's what pro-choice should be about, either. All I'm saying is that in extreme cases, like rape, abuse, illness and things like that, it should be an option, and the woman should have a choice, that's all. I'm certainly not all for 'getting rid off it' just for the heck of it, and I sincerely hope it didn't come across that way.

Hi San, I enjoyed this discussion with you. It's very refreshing to have a disagreement with someone (although we did agree on certain points) without getting nasty about it. Thanks.

Hi San, I enjoyed this discussion with you. It's very refreshing to have a disagreement with someone (although we did agree on certain points) without getting nasty about it. Thanks.

I can only return that...:)

I don't know about anybody else, but I didn't. Unless I get personally attacked and/or verbally abused, I would never neg-rep anybody.

Coolio.

FWIW I'm pro-choice but at this point in my life I would not have an abortion. I won't tell other people what to do with their bodies, that's up to them.

I don't know about anybody else, but I didn't. Unless I get personally attacked and/or verbally abused, I would never neg-rep anybody.

lol we both said no offense taken right? lol i dont want anyone to think just because i have 4 posts that I have no idea what im talking about or that i dont know how to use a forum. I am sorry if I offended anyone here, as you can tell I started out with a respectful tone and valid point. But we'll call it what it is. BTW San, have you ever looked into religion? Bad things happen to everyone. It seems you are depressed. Once I started going to church, my whole life changed around. I have also lost 23 pounds in 3 weeks lol. Anyway, just wanted to point out if I hurt you or anyone elses feelings then i'm sorry. This is always a tough discussion lol oh and btw its funny someone Neg'd me for a valid point. :)

I am sorry if I offended anyone here, as you can tell I started out with a respectful tone and valid point.

I actually wish you had come in with a respectful tone. The way you went about it was embarrassing. It almost makes me wonder if your posts were a joke to get people to be turned off to pro-lifers and church-goers. I share some of your veiws and I am even turned off. I can't imagine what people who aren't pro-life are thinking. Actually I can. You came in here with a "BRING IT ON" snobby attitude. Not sure if you think that's supposed to be effective...but it's not.

Also, I really DON'T think you know how to use a forum properly.

lol we both said no offense taken right? lol i dont want anyone to think just because i have 4 posts that I have no idea what im talking about or that i dont know how to use a forum. I am sorry if I offended anyone here, as you can tell I started out with a respectful tone and valid point. But we'll call it what it is. BTW San, have you ever looked into religion? Bad things happen to everyone. It seems you are depressed. Once I started going to church, my whole life changed around. I have also lost 23 pounds in 3 weeks lol. Anyway, just wanted to point out if I hurt you or anyone elses feelings then i'm sorry. This is always a tough discussion lol oh and btw its funny someone Neg'd me for a valid point. :)

Nope, we didn't. And you didn't have a valid point, or a respectful tone.

And yes, I looked into religions, studied them, and learned a lot about them. That's why I don't want anything to do with them.

And I don't know what gives you the impression that I am depressed. The fact that I don't believe in a book of fairy tales? (Rather brutal ones, but fairy tales nonetheless). Sorry to disappoint, but I am not. And while I discuss a lot of things, I don't discuss religion, so don't try to start.

I doubt anybody gave you negative rep for a 'valid point', because let's face it, you didn't make a valid point. All you did was come out here and shout a bunch of old 'bring it on' phrases, with no substance behind it. You were given the negative rep for your attitude, and the way you attacked people, or at least that is what I assume.

I have also lost 23 pounds in 3 weeks lol.

I don't think that's a safe rate of weight loss. That's more than 7lbs a week. You shouldn't lose more than 1-2lbs per week.

I don't think that's a safe rate of weight loss. That's more than 7lbs a week. You shouldn't lose more than 1-2lbs per week.

Maybe He/She was healed of weight gain by a tongue speaking evangelical. "You've been HEALED!"*Slaps Forehead*

I am just saying.. it is possible.

Send my $500.00 and a prayer note and I will make your wildest dreams come true too.


NO Checks or COD's

Maybe He/She was healed of weight gain by a tongue speaking evangelical. "You've been HEALED!"*Slaps Forehead*

I am just saying.. it is possible.

Send my $500.00 and a prayer note and I will make your wildest dreams come true too.


NO Checks or COD's

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