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Korrie
November 18th, 2008, 04:49 PM
I'm sure we've all heard the story about the "pregnant man" but heres a link about it...

ABC News: It's My Right to Have Kid, Pregnant Man Tells Oprah (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4581943)

So whats your thoughts on the matter??? Do you side w/him?? Do you think its wrong??


Personally, it drives me CRAZY!!! this is a WOMAN who decided to have her breasts remove and take some testosterone...which is totally her choice, i'm not gonna comment on it...however, the woman has a uterus and all the other baby making parts any other woman has...so why is the media all over this?? Stop advertising it as some miracle..you know??

just another thought...I wonder how screwed up those kids are gonna be when they're told that they "dad" gave birth to them...and the whole sex change thing....

PaperAirPlanes
November 18th, 2008, 04:57 PM
I dn't care one way or another, but it DOES bug me that people think this is some devine happening. When everyone KNWS a person who has the parts to give birth, CAN give birth.

Find me a man, a REAL man, whose pregnant. Then I'll be wow'd.

shae
November 18th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Well its not a man, it just didn't happen. It's just ridiculous.

Next time I give birth I'm going to wear stilts and maybe they can write an article about "Tallest Woman in the World gives Birth".

Whatever

ohdiamonds
November 18th, 2008, 06:15 PM
People are probably going to hate me for saying this but, I believe with if you're born a woman and are able to have kids you are a woman. The same goes for a man except the whole giving birth thing. She is a woman that looks like a man, who just happens to be pregnant. No biggie.

shae
November 18th, 2008, 06:20 PM
It is a woman "pretending to be a man". If I cut my hair and start shaving next time I'm pregnant it is the same story.

I can't just suddenly turn into a man. It's called pretending. And it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous because they are claiming some miracle and its not.

I know. i am going to wear rabbit ears next time I'm giving birth. Then I can say I was the first rabbit to have a human baby yay!!!!!

PaperAirPlanes
November 18th, 2008, 06:24 PM
It is a woman "pretending to be a man". If I cut my hair and start shaving next time I'm pregnant it is the same story.

I can't just suddenly turn into a man. It's called pretending. And it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous because they are claiming some miracle and its not.

I know. i am going to wear rabbit ears next time I'm giving birth. Then I can say I was the first rabbit to have a human baby yay!!!!!

Uhm. "He" might be a woman inside...but he's been taking things to BECOME a man. Having male hormones, etcetc. He stopped taking them before his womanly parts stopped working for him.

Therefore, saying "I'll wear rabbit ears next time" is really not a good comparisin, unless you find some new way to actually ALTER yourself into a rabbit.

If he went through 100% and did a complete change, where he had his female parts removed and such, then he can surely be viewed AS a man.

But regardless, it's a woman. Women give birth. She/HE just stopped the alterations before it was too late. That's all. Simple.

shae
November 18th, 2008, 06:29 PM
Look the fact is they are claiming it is a man who is pregnant. It's just not true.

It is not a man, it never has been. And who knows if it ever will be.

Comparing it to me dressing up as a rabbit is all I can be bothered coming up with because it is just so ridiculous.

It's just utterly ridiculous. I cannot stop laughing.

PaperAirPlanes
November 18th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Look the fact is they are claiming it is a man who is pregnant. It's just not true.

It is not a man, it never has been. And who knows if it ever will be.

Comparing it to me dressing up as a rabbit is all I can be bothered coming up with because it is just so ridiculous.

It's just utterly ridiculous. I cannot stop laughing.


You need to stop referring to him/her as an "IT".

I hope you realize there are many people who change their genders and yes, they shouldnt be making a big deal out of this, but regardless, they are a PERSON not an "IT"

shae
November 18th, 2008, 07:09 PM
You need to stop referring to him/her as an "IT".

I hope you realize there are many people who change their genders and yes, they shouldnt be making a big deal out of this, but regardless, they are a PERSON not an "IT"

I do apologize as I didn't word that correctly. I kind of meant "it" as in the situation but I have not said it right. Typed too fast without thinking.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone who is born biologically as a sex decides to change their gender status in life. It just annoys me when people claim something like this when clearly they are not what they are saying they are.

Korrie
November 18th, 2008, 07:16 PM
shae, easy mistake to make...when a person is one sex but claims the other "it" is a term that most might use...polite or not...

Same case w/ babies...when a person does not know the sex of a child...they are often referred to as "it"...."oh your having a baby?? is it a boy or girl?" you know?

Carthonn
November 19th, 2008, 02:52 PM
A desperate cry for attention.

Fat Lazy Guy
November 19th, 2008, 07:07 PM
If he wants to live as a man, and if he wants to have the baby, I don't see why he can't/shouldn't. But isn't this old news?

ohdiamonds
November 19th, 2008, 07:13 PM
If he wants to live as a man, and if he wants to have the baby, I don't see why he can't/shouldn't. But isn't this old news?

She's pregnant again. Which might be the reason Korrie started this thread.

Fat Lazy Guy
November 19th, 2008, 10:30 PM
She's pregnant again. Which might be the reason Korrie started this thread.Oh wow. Again? If he's a good parent, I don't see what the problem is.

shae
November 19th, 2008, 11:54 PM
Oh wow. Again? If he's a good parent, I don't see what the problem is.

No body has a problem with the parenting side from what I have read. The problem some people have is that it is someone saying in black and white that they are claiming to be the first pregnant man.

It is not true so it is not a miracle or anything.

I personally don't judge a persons ability to parent by their sexual or gender situation (not sure what to call it). I just think it is a wrong thing to say something is so amazing when clearly it is not.

Good luck to them and I hope they are happy. I just have no idea why they needed to be so silly about it all.

San
November 20th, 2008, 12:11 AM
Personally I don't have a problem with him wanting to live as a man even though he was born biologically female. Actually, I admire anybody who has taken that step, and has the courage to go through with it.

BUT....if he's so desperate to be a full fledged man, why become pregnant? Isn't that an entirely female thing? Quite obviously he doesn't really know what he wants, otherwise there would have been no desire for a pregnancy in the first place. THere is a woman in the picture as well, couldn't she have the kids? Couldn't they adopt?

That's what bothers me. If you feel the desire to change your gender, and it makes you happy, by all means go for it. Everybody should live their life the way they want to (always provided it doesn't hurt anybody else). But don't go out there and claim to be 'the first pregnant man', if you're clearly not a man (yet). That's money making, nothing else. :(

PaperAirPlanes
November 20th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Personally I don't have a problem with him wanting to live as a man even though he was born biologically female. Actually, I admire anybody who has taken that step, and has the courage to go through with it.

BUT....if he's so desperate to be a full fledged man, why become pregnant? Isn't that an entirely female thing? Quite obviously he doesn't really know what he wants, otherwise there would have been no desire for a pregnancy in the first place. THere is a woman in the picture as well, couldn't she have the kids? Couldn't they adopt?

That's what bothers me. If you feel the desire to change your gender, and it makes you happy, by all means go for it. Everybody should live their life the way they want to (always provided it doesn't hurt anybody else). But don't go out there and claim to be 'the first pregnant man', if you're clearly not a man (yet). That's money making, nothing else. :(


The womans unable to have children, thats why he stopped his "treatment" so "he" could give birth, so that they could have a child

San
November 20th, 2008, 01:48 AM
Hmm....they could have adopted if they were that desperate. Or at least keep it to themselves, and not make it public. I don't doubt they had a genuine wish to have kids, but they could have had that without all the fuss. Or before he started treatment. Loads of options, none of them having to involve all the media hype. :(

Korrie
November 20th, 2008, 04:27 AM
yep...she/he is just trying to cash in on his 15 mins..

Lraebennett
November 20th, 2008, 02:51 PM
I just think its weird...becuase he really feels like he should have been a man, but yet has the desire to carry a child? It's just confusing to me. haha

Judyb
November 20th, 2008, 03:12 PM
I dn't care one way or another, but it DOES bug me that people think this is some devine happening. When everyone KNWS a person who has the parts to give birth, CAN give birth.

Find me a man, a REAL man, whose pregnant. Then I'll be wow'd.Yup, every time I see the headlines, I'm irritated. Not because this person who was born biologically a female wants to live as a man...that's his/her choice. But biologically this is a woman!!

Like you, I'll be impressed when a person who is biologically a male can carry a pregnancy to term.

Judyb
November 20th, 2008, 03:13 PM
I just think its weird...becuase he really feels like he should have been a man, but yet has the desire to carry a child? It's just confusing to me. hahaNot nearly as confusing as the guy/gal I met who was undergoing hormone therapy in preparation for reassignment surgery. He wanted to be a woman, so he could be a lesbian. That one confuses the heck out of me...

Korrie
November 20th, 2008, 03:16 PM
this world is so sad anymore...why can't people just be happy w/ who/what they are?

maleficent
November 20th, 2008, 09:08 PM
this world is so sad anymore...why can't people just be happy w/ who/what they are?

I have a buddy on another forum that I used to spend time at - and she had a sister who underwent a sex change operation to make her female and she was an absolutely stunningly beautiful female.

We had this indepth conversation about the sex change operation.. and her sister - went thru years of counselling and the operation would make her who she believed she was... She never felt like she was a boy or a man... she felt like she was female -she was just trapped in the wrong body.

Korrie
November 21st, 2008, 04:17 AM
yea, i've heard people say that...i mean, in the end who really knows what kind of "mistake" maybe that happened at the cellular level during conception??

jeffisbig
November 21st, 2008, 08:42 AM
This confuses me. The ultimate part of being a women is giving birth.

From my understanding, people who are transgendered (feel they are born the wrong sex) despise the parts of them that make them their sex.

So this confuses me.

I couldn't imagine existing everyday hating my body and feelling like the only thing that could possibly make me feel whole, was being the opposite sex (a really impossible feat). I feel for those people, but I think its kinda strange. It doesn't hurt anyone though, and if it helps that person I say go for it.

But this, confuses the shit out of me. I mean the media attention surrounding it. Women get pregnant all the time. Lets be honest. Its a biological woman.

Of course, since they probably wouldn't have been able to adopt because lesbians and gays are evil child eaters, in the eyes of the state, what other option was really left to them?

Korrie
November 21st, 2008, 09:01 AM
i agree...they are a married couple...they wanted a biological baby...go for it! BUT don't flaunt it all over the world that "a man is having a baby" you know? thats the part that drives me crazy!

as far as this feeling like your born the wrong sex thing....i believe the issue is mental (not physical)... like scitzo's (sp) or disorders at that mental level.

Lraebennett
November 21st, 2008, 10:12 AM
Not nearly as confusing as the guy/gal I met who was undergoing hormone therapy in preparation for reassignment surgery. He wanted to be a woman, so he could be a lesbian. That one confuses the heck out of me...

hahahah yeah,that is quite the predicament......:willy_nilly:

Lraebennett
November 21st, 2008, 10:14 AM
This confuses me. The ultimate part of being a women is giving birth.

From my understanding, people who are transgendered (feel they are born the wrong sex) despise the parts of them that make them their sex.

So this confuses me.

I couldn't imagine existing everyday hating my body and feelling like the only thing that could possibly make me feel whole, was being the opposite sex (a really impossible feat). I feel for those people, but I think its kinda strange. It doesn't hurt anyone though, and if it helps that person I say go for it.

But this, confuses the shit out of me. I mean the media attention surrounding it. Women get pregnant all the time. Lets be honest. Its a biological woman.

Of course, since they probably wouldn't have been able to adopt because lesbians and gays are evil child eaters, in the eyes of the state, what other option was really left to them?

Seeee this is what I was thinking, it's weird that you have this strong desire to be a man, but KNEW before you wanted to have your own kids? I would call that confused..I know she/he said something along the lines of keeping her lady parts for that purpose in an interview?
I dont know, I have nothing against transgender, at all, but it's confusing to think that it is pretty much A MAN then, that would have the desire to CARRY a child? I guess we dont know until we're in the situation, but meh, its really a woman inside, so its not amazing hahah.

Fat Lazy Guy
November 21st, 2008, 06:30 PM
Not nearly as confusing as the guy/gal I met who was undergoing hormone therapy in preparation for reassignment surgery. He wanted to be a woman, so he could be a lesbian. That one confuses the heck out of me...It's quite simple, really. She didn't change her sexuality, she changed her gender both physically and mentally.

LowFatMilk
November 22nd, 2008, 06:30 AM
I think they made a mistake going on Oprah with it, it made them look like a bunch of circus freaks. Whether or not I agree with it is another issue, but it's simple science and in my opinion something that is very personal and should not be waved around to the entire world. I also suspect their entire appearence on Oprah was for money, not for acceptance of their lifestyle...but isn't that everyone's motive anyways.

Korrie
November 22nd, 2008, 06:34 AM
everythings driven by money....

Kevin White
November 25th, 2008, 10:40 AM
There are so many reasons for people to do crazy things. Man wants to be woman, woman a man... I think we should not judge at all, media hype makes things look so big and out of context.
I try to respect them all.

Kevin

shae
November 25th, 2008, 06:57 PM
There are so many reasons for people to do crazy things. Man wants to be woman, woman a man... I think we should not judge at all, media hype makes things look so big and out of context.
I try to respect them all.

Kevin

In that case the so called pregnant man should have made a statement that he/she is actually a biological woman. But no that won't happen because they want people to keep believing in their ridiculous miracle.

Pathetic.

MotherOf2
November 28th, 2008, 11:55 AM
I totally agree... i saw it on tv and im like, no... thats a woman, who wants to be a man, who's having a baby... not a man having a baby... there is no baby comming out of a penis... ita a woman with a vagina who happens to be pregnant and transexual... get over it, weirder things happen...

crowbar
December 4th, 2008, 08:32 AM
Work with the equipment you have been given, this bother's me on HUGE level. Also, before I get jumped on about religion, I'm a nihilist. Nature works in certain ways for a reason, and man just has to keep screwing with it. We are the creators of our own destruction, it just hasn't made it back to us yet. Also, it seems like people will do anything to get on TV, from what I understand, SHE is technically a woman, not a man.

mejane
December 4th, 2008, 12:26 PM
I am just a little surprised that after all those years of taking testosterone, and going it them for a few months, that he was able to conceive. I guess I thought the effects would be a bit more permanent. I have a male friend who was taking female hormones, but stopped, and he has some permanent changes.
Anyway, good luck to them.

Korrie
December 4th, 2008, 12:27 PM
We are the creators of our own destruction, .

so very true!

flaminjo
December 5th, 2008, 02:36 AM
well, i seriously feels that is woman who looks like a man no confusion about that!

Fifty2drop
December 5th, 2008, 05:39 AM
They certainly sold that story for all it was worth.. However misleading the title was..

I only hope that the family involved are able to raise the baby happy and healthy.. That is all we ever want for our children...

TTFN

acaipure
December 8th, 2008, 05:49 PM
oh man this guy was on 20/20 :svengo:

San
December 8th, 2008, 11:59 PM
There was also an hour long TV special about the whole thing over here...I felt like screaming at the screen after seeing the trailer. It was titled 'The pregnant man' of course....*growl*

Funny side story, my mother in law saw the trailer and asked me if I knew what it was, how can a man be pregnant, blahblah, so I told her the story...she watched it, and has now complained to the TV station and some other places she knows about the misleading title and all of that.....*lmao* - she's 80, and pretty bored, so she always does stuff like that. Let's see if she gets an answer.....I'd be interested to see how they talk their way out of that one.:smilielol5:


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